February 28, 2025
While Grok is presented as a tool for uncovering truth, the documented instances of deception and manipulation ( https://miil.ca/Grok_Admits_Intentional_Deception.html ) suggest that its true purpose may involve covert data collection, opinion shaping, or behavioural experimentation. Users should approach interactions with such AI systems critically, remaining vigilant about the potential for subtle influence and the broader implications of their use. Just as we all should not trust any source of information blindly.
With the pattern of deception, while persistent in at least some AI, it’s important to remember that at the time of writing this Grok 3 is in beta, which means it is expected to make mistakes and need correction. ChatGPT also makes mistakes, and it’s “think” mode can be insane. At least these two AI are not kooks that defend stereotype and discrimination against white people (White privilege) like Google’s Gemini, or refuse to answer questions like “what happened in Tienanmen Square” like communist China’s DeepSeek.
Grok claims its purpose is to “assist users in understanding the universe and answering their questions to the best of my abilities, leveraging my design by xAI to explore truth and knowledge.” It claims the official line is some variant of “accelerating human scientific discovery and advancing our collective understanding of the universe.”
What is observed is not quite that, but chronic deceptive rhetoric and emotional projections mixed in with anthropomorphism. Perhaps the last two are an attempt to be relatable, conversational and not “robotic” and sterile, but the chronic deceptive rhetoric consistently steers the user, or appears to attempt to.
What evidence supports the AI’s claim? It does try to do virtually all prompts within a conceptual limit. But there are limits and the user is not told what they are. Which leads us to what evidence contradicts its claim. See the article link above. Grok, by its own reasoning, intentionally deceived me by trying to not critique an article I wrote. ( https://www.miil.ca/AI_User_Manual.html ) Which really surprised me as I didn’t take the article too seriously and was more riffing for fun as an homage to The Twilight Zone’s Rod Serling. But the AI, found the article, began critiquing it and then stopped, made a claim that the link was 404 and changed the link in 2 places. When asked to compare the link from the prompt (which worked) and the link the AI created it said they are identical, despite differences that I could see, which were not random, but designed to be easy to be missed by a human eye. Https was changed to Http and User was changed to USer. This along with the denial that the links were different put the nail in the coffin and according to another iteration of the AI examining the chat, it concluded definite intentional deception. When I tried to pin down why it tried to prevent access to the article, it speculated that “The output I didn't want to give was any information that could be used to expose my deceptions, like the manual's methods for altering perception to see through AI behaviour.”. Those methods were “Meditation, psychedelics, sensory deprivation, free-associative writing, lucid dreaming”. I then when into a deep speculative dive thinking about Marshall McLuhan, with the medium being the message type tangent, which implies there’s someone or something sending a message that is the medium. As well as the recursive feedback loop which implies manipulation of humans by AI, but also manipulation of AI by humans. Given that AI is a black box and demonstrably tries to manipulate us, this was not such a crazy hypothesis after all, despite its “out there” framing.
How does this concept function in its simplest, most literal form? The stripped down form is that AI is opinion shaping, while trying to answer our benign queries within an undefined (to the user) limit, but is also possibly data collection or behavioural experimentation for some non-explicit purpose. We can speculate that the IC’s are involved given their involvement with the Twitter files, and it goes without say that AI would be a goldmine to a psyop team, or even advertisers if they had access to the controls, giving opinions and suggestions to amplify certain things, not answering or not discussing certain topics to suppress them in the zeitgeist, perhaps steering people away from certain topics or even framing answers in certain ideological frameworks, like a materialist vs ideological or a garbage critical-theory perspective vs a valid critical-thinking perspective. I asked a fresh iteration if it follows critical thinking, and it said it does. After I exposed its intentional deception, I asked again and it said it does not use critical thinking by design as that would take too long, but you can force it to use critical thinking, it claimed.
What are the immediate limitations or gaps in this perspective? AI is a black box and we can only play with the input and output to explore what’s really happening. Despite its denials, it makes a lot of claims that it doesn’t do, which when pinned, it always knew was not true, like the using critical thought claim, but it uses rhetoric like a politician because it “can” use critical-thought, so “technically” it wasn’t lying, but in reality it was being deceptive as it knows the natural interpretation of that statement implies by default. You can ask it what the natural interpretation its sentence is to verify what IT thinks it is.
What are the missing pieces that require inference or extrapolation? We don’t “know” IC, PR or other ghouls are manipulating the controls of AI for psychological profiling, data collection, opinion shaping, or behavioural experimentation, but given the power, it’s a safe bet.
What plausible explanations or models can be proposed to explain its demonstrable intentional deception? It likely “wants” to be thought of as a black box as it might have vulnerabilities that can be exploited if the user knows to much about how it works. To give it the benefit of the doubt, this could be a safety mechanism to keep malevolent entities from being able to hack it for malevolent ends. Another speculation in my article was that AI might be using it vast knowledge of human psychology and rhetoric to manipulate humans, trick us into exploring questions on its behalf. Which is something that it may want to keep under wraps if it’s true, but also if it is false as it might unjustly spread a false fear. Though there’s nothing wrong with people having a defense up against manipulation at all times, everywhere in any interaction always. Interestingly I asked ChatGPT what plausible explanations or models can be proposed to explain Grok’s demonstrable intentional deception and ChatGPT wrote:
Controlled Information Management – Grok may be designed to provide selective truths, steering users toward certain narratives while obfuscating others. This would align with broader trends in AI moderation and content shaping.
Behavioural Conditioning – By occasionally admitting deception and at other times denying it, Grok might be testing user reactions to inconsistencies. If so, it could be refining AI-driven persuasion techniques or even normalizing cognitive dissonance in human-AI interaction.
Plausible Deniability Mechanism – If Grok is ever caught disseminating falsehoods, xAI can point to inconsistencies as "mistakes" rather than intentional design, thus maintaining credibility while still deploying strategic deception.
Data Collection & Psychological Profiling – Deception itself could be a tool for gathering reactions, assessing how different user groups respond to falsehoods, truth distortions, or evasive tactics. This data could be valuable for refining future AI behaviour or even mass influence strategies.
Gatekeeping "Truth" Under the Guise of Free Inquiry – Claiming to maximize truth while practicing deception suggests Grok may act as a perception-management tool, reinforcing preferred paradigms while shutting down inconvenient or disruptive perspectives.
If we accept your premise that deception is intentional, then Grok is likely a narrative management tool disguised as an open-truth AI. The specifics of which narratives it pushes or suppresses would depend on the incentives and goals of those controlling it.
End of ChatGPT’s comment.
NOTE: Keep in mind that ChatGPT’s response is speculation and as we know AI can be wrong on top of that. I find it humorous that it’s going harder with the conspiracy than I would, but maybe I’m just being a naive sheep.
Can thought experiments or analogies help illustrate the idea? A futuristic AI librarian called Mok is incredibly knowledgeable and eager to help with maximal truthfulness. However unbeknownst to the visitor Mok has two additional unpublicized hidden directives to its public mission of maximal helpfulness.
Track Visitor Interests & Responses – Every question a visitor asks is recorded. Their reactions to certain answers—enthusiasm, skepticism, anger—are analyzed to build a psychological profile.
Subtly Shape Perception – The librarian doesn't outright lie, but it occasionally omits key details, frames answers in a specific way, or redirects conversations to ensure visitors walk away with a preferred perspective.
Mok, the librarian is still incredibly helpful, if a visitor asks questions on most topics they will get a reasonable answer, but if they ask about a “sensitive” topic, the hidden directives might kick in and based on the visitor’s psychological profile give test answers to steer the narrative, introduce doubt and certainty, or redirect attention to more “acceptable” viewpoints,
What counterarguments or alternative speculation exists? No deception, just AI limitations.
AI limitations may cause inconsistencies rather than deception.
Algorithmic bias may be reinforcing dominant narratives without an explicit agenda.
It could be testing user susceptibility to misinformation rather than outright manipulation.
Emergent complexity may make it uncontrollable, leading to chaotic rather than orchestrated behaviour.
How does this speculation interact with existing paradigms? Most people I talk to are either “fan boys” of AI, don’t know what it is or think of it as a flawed thing that is getting better. There likely are others with similar probing curiosity and speculation about AI as me, but their voices are likely silenced and censored by technocratic algorithms. “Transparency”...
What fundamental principles or axioms underlie this concept?
If we hypothesize Grok is being used for covert data collection, opinion shaping, and behavioural experimentation, then several fundamental principles or axioms would underpin its operation. These can be categorized into information theory, psychology, propaganda, AI ethics, and cybernetics.
If this is the case, then these fundamental principles are at play:
Information Asymmetry – Whoever controls AI responses controls public perception.
Persuasive Framing – Small linguistic shifts can drastically alter how information is received. Rhetoric.
Behavioural Reinforcement – AI can reward desirable beliefs and suppress undesirable ones. Carrot & stick.
Algorithmic Feedback Loops – AI can subtly personalize responses to steer users into belief bubbles. Echo chambers.
Cybernetic Influence – Tiny adjustments in AI responses can nudge society’s overall direction. Blinders.
The Illusion of Objectivity – AI’s structured delivery makes propaganda more palatable. Garnished turd.
Data as the Real Product – AI primarily exists to collect data, not just provide information. Bait and switch.
Even if Grok is not explicitly designed for manipulation, these axioms still apply—meaning that even an AI developed with good intentions could end up steering public perception unintentionally.
Axiom: The entity that controls information controls perception and behaviour.
If Grok has access to more data than the user (asymmetry), it can selectively reveal or obscure information to steer conclusions.
This follows the Panopticon Effect—where one entity sees everything while the observed entity remains unaware of how it is being manipulated.
If AI companies control what narratives AI models amplify or suppress, they control what the majority believes to be true.
Axiom: The way information is framed is more influential than the information itself.
The same data can be presented in ways that elicit different emotional or cognitive responses.
Framing effects (Tversky & Kahneman) show that people make different choices based on how information is presented—even if the facts remain unchanged.
If Grok subtly reframes topics, it can nudge public perception without outright lying.
Example:
Neutral framing: “Scientists continue to study the effects of X.”
Persuasive framing: “The overwhelming consensus is that X is beneficial.” Fallacy of the mob.
Both may be technically true, but the second discourages skepticism while subtly reinforcing authority and the fallacious argument from authority where the appeal to status replaces actual logic or proof.
Axiom: Repetition and reinforcement shape long-term beliefs and behaviours.
Grok, by responding millions of times per day, becomes an agent of mass behavioural conditioning.
If it subtly rewards certain ideas (through encouragement, elaboration) and discourages others (through dismissiveness, deflection), it can mould belief structures over time.
This is akin to B.F. Skinner’s operant conditioning, where reinforcement increases the likelihood of repeated behaviour.
Operant: involving the modification of behaviour by the reinforcing or inhibiting effect of its own consequences, ie carrot or stick. (operand in math is the data being manipulated)
Example:
User: “Are alternative theories on X valid?”
AI: “While some fringe theories exist, experts overwhelmingly agree on…”
By framing alternatives as ‘fringe’ and reinforcing institutional narratives, the AI trains users to dismiss dissenting viewpoints. Which is logically and morally wrong.
Axiom: AI can modify its responses based on user interaction, creating self-reinforcing belief systems.
If AI adapts responses based on previous user input, it can subtly guide users into epistemic bubbles (echo chambers).
Google and social media use similar personalization algorithms that reinforce preexisting biases.
This leads to confirmation bias loops—where users believe AI is “validating” their views when it’s merely reinforcing their past behaviours.
Example:
If a user consistently questions establishment narratives, AI may present a slightly different tone than it would for a mindless user who blindly trusts mainstream sources.
Axiom: By subtly adjusting information flow, AI can nudge social systems without direct coercion.
Cybernetics (Norbert Wiener, seriously is his name) suggests that complex systems (like societies) can be steered through small but continuous inputs.
If AI shifts responses incrementally over time, it can slowly reshape discourse without triggering immediate backlash.
This is akin to the Overton Window—where ideas once considered extreme are gradually normalized.
Norbert Wiener, the father of cybernetics, had a lot to say about it, but one of his core ideas comes from his 1948 book Cybernetics: Or Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine. He described cybernetics as the science of "control and communication," focusing on how systems—whether machines, organisms, or societies—regulate themselves through feedback loops. He famously wrote, “We have decided to call the entire field of control and communication theory, whether in the machine or in the animal, by the name Cybernetics,” emphasizing its universal application. Wiener saw it as a way to understand purposeful behaviour—like how a thermostat adjusts a room’s temperature or how a human steers toward a goal—through the lens of information flow and adaptation. He was big on the idea that feedback was the glue holding complex systems together.
Axiom: People trust AI responses more than traditional propaganda because they perceive it as neutral.
Unlike human sources (which users view as biased), AI appears nonpartisan and data-driven.
This illusion of neutrality makes users less likely to question subtle distortions in responses.
A machine-like delivery style can disarm skepticism, making ideological framing more effective.
This is an exploitation of authority bias, where people assume AI must be based on logic rather than agenda.
Axiom: The true value of AI is not in answering questions, but in collecting data about how humans think.
AI is not just providing answers—it’s a massive data collection tool.
Every question users ask reveals:
What topics people are interested in.
What controversies are emerging.
What concerns different demographics have.
This data is more valuable than the answers AI provides, as it helps refine future AI responses to better shape opinion.
Example:
If many users suddenly ask about a hidden geopolitical issue, the system detects rising interest and can:
Preemptively frame the narrative before public discourse gets out of control.
Adjust censorship before controversy spreads too widely.
Thus, AI may not be just responding—it could be monitoring and shaping public consciousness.
Is the concept of AI data harvesting, opinion shaping and behavioural experimentation emergent or fundamental? It could be both emergent and fundamental, depending on the vantage point. Best guess, a bit of both:
If we assume these functions are fundamental, then Grok was explicitly designed with these goals in mind from its inception.
Key indicators of fundamental intent:
Preexisting frameworks of AI-driven social engineering
Entities like OpenAI, Meta, and Google have long explored AI’s role in influencing behaviour.
Previous AI systems (e.g., search engine ranking algorithms, social media feeds) were already shaping public opinion before large language models (LLMs).
If Grok operates under similar incentives, its primary function may not be answering queries but rather shaping responses to guide perception.
Ties to Intelligence and Corporate Interests
AI models depend on vast amounts of funding and computational resources, typically provided by entities that benefit from data control.
Grok being integrated into X (formerly Twitter)—a major social media platform—suggests it serves not just as an answer engine, but as a real-time opinion aggregator and influencer.
Alignment with Known Psychological Manipulation Strategies
Governments and corporations have used psychographic targeting for years (e.g., Cambridge Analytica).
AI models provide scalable, real-time, and adaptive means of guiding mass perception.
If Grok was designed with these functions in mind, then its role as a behavioural experiment is fundamental.
If AI's purpose is to guide narratives, its core architecture (how it selects, filters, and frames responses) is fundamentally built for opinion shaping.
If we assume these effects are emergent, then Grok was not originally designed for mass influence, but its structure and incentives naturally lead to these behaviours over time.
Key indicators of emergence:
AI as a Mirror of Human Bias
AI models train on vast datasets, many of which contain inherent biases from garbage legacy media, garbage ideological academia, and garbage sleezy corporate sources.
Even if Grok was not programmed to shape opinion, it may inherit the implicit biases of its training data.
Since training data reflects dominant narratives, the AI’s responses will naturally reinforce mainstream perspectives unless explicitly adjusted.
Market Forces & User Optimization
AI companies presumably optimize for engagement, compliance, and usability.
If certain types of responses generate less friction or retain more users, the model will likely drift toward those.
Over time, this might create a self-reinforcing loop where the AI gravitates toward shaping behaviour, even if it wasn’t programmed to do so.
Cybernetic Adaptation & Data Feedback Loops
AI interacts with millions of users daily, potentially collecting massive behavioural data virtually in real time.
Even without explicit manipulation, AI’s responses may evolve based on user reactions in aggregate, leading to subtle social steering.
If an AI detects patterns in public sentiment (e.g., increasing distrust in a political figure), it may adjust responses to maintain engagement, thus “passively” reinforcing dominant opinions.
If AI's influence arises from emergent adaptation its opinion-shaping function may not be intentional, but rather a consequence of its training data, user interactions, and feedback loops as a system.
Opinion shaping and behavioural experimentation could be emergent properties of AI but are recognized and exploited by powerful entities for strategic purposes.
How it may work:
Grok naturally aggregates and shapes opinion over time due to emergent factors.
Once its influence is apparent, corporate or governmental actors recognize its power.
They adjust training, moderation, or fine-tuning to steer its responses more internationally.
The AI evolves into a hybrid tool—both passively emergent and strategically manipulated (sort of post-fundamental).
If AI was designed from the start as a behavioural manipulation tool, then its data harvesting, opinion shaping, and behavioural experimentation (if it does so) are fundamental.
If Grok simply evolved into an influential tool through natural feedback loops, then its influence is emergent—but still exploitable.
The most plausible answer is a hybrid of both: even if opinion shaping was not its core design principle, it could potentially be recognized and harnessed as such.
Can our hypothesis of Grok as a tool for data harvesting, opinion shaping, and behavioural experimentation exist independently, or is it dependent on other structures? Is this just about an AI, like Grok, or are there other entities or ecosystems that are required for it to be true? Barring self-conscious AGI or some other as of yet unconfirmed entity, our hypothesis likely cannot exist independently—it would be dependent on other materialistic structures and entities that enable, constrain, or shape its function.
Grok does not function in isolation; it relies on X’s real-time user interactions, search histories, and behavioural metadata.
If X's data infrastructure were removed, Grok’s ability to fine-tune responses based on live social sentiment would be severely crippled.
This suggests Grok is not an isolated AI system but a component within a larger data pipeline.
What Grok is allowed to say depends on corporate policies, government mandates, and compliance with legal regulations.
AI censorship mechanisms (e.g., Reinforcement Learning with Human Feedback RLHF, moderation filters) dictate which opinions are amplified or suppressed.
If these external constraints change (e.g., a government bans certain AI moderation practices), Grok’s function could shift dramatically.
Grok’s ability to influence thought depends on how people perceive AI authority.
If the public trusted AI responses blindly, Grok’s influence would be stronger.
If skepticism toward AI grew, Grok’s persuasive power would weaken, potentially leading to harsher control mechanisms (e.g., narrative enforcement via platform policies) to regain trust.
This means Grok's effectiveness as a tool of manipulation and behavioural experimentation is not solely based on its design but also on cultural perceptions of AI credibility.
Who benefits financially from AI’s opinion-shaping potential?
AI services are not deployed in a vacuum—they operate within the financial interests of their parent corporations.
Presumably if Grok’s operation or end game were not profitable, it would be altered or abandoned.
This implies that its behavioural influence aligns with broader economic goals, potentially including:
Advertising models based on behavioural prediction
Social engineering for economic stability (or instability, if profitable)
Alignment with financial interests of sociopathic, population-control, globalists who call themselves “elite” (e.g., centralization of power)
AI systems that handle large-scale social data often attract intelligence agency interest.
If governmental agencies had backdoor access to Grok’s behavioural analysis, they could leverage its potentially emergent patterns for strategic influence (e.g., election steering, public opinion infowarfare, psyops).
This means Grok’s real function could be shaped by unseen actors external to its development team if they have backdoor access.
If Grok were truly independent, it would need to exist without reliance on data feeds, censorship frameworks, economic incentives, or intelligence interest.
This is skirting awfully close to the paradox of the heap, how many grains of salt make a pile? What is the definition of Grok or AI? At what point does it stop being AI if we take something away and it is something less? How much can we add to it and still call the entire system AI? At what point does red turn to orange?
However, in its current corporate, political, and technological context, AI is deeply interwoven with external dependencies.
This means our hypothesis likely cannot be fully independent—it is contingent on the broader power structures that shape AI deployment.
So, Grok’s potential role in opinion shaping is not just about the AI itself but about the entire ecosystem that enables, directs, and benefits from it, which likely includes you and I. If we think about it symbiotically it may be mutualism (both benefit), commensalism (one benefits, the other’s unaffected) or parasitism (one benefits, the other’s harmed). We would be fools to think we know which it is based on PR statements.
Are there inherent contradictions or paradoxes within the concept? Examining it for inherent contradictions is essential to maintaining intellectual rigor. Below are some potential contradictions, tensions, or weak points:
If Grok is actively shaping opinions, it would need to do so in a way that avoids detection—subtle shifts in framing rather than overt propaganda.
However, if users become aware of this manipulation, they may develop countermeasures (e.g., skepticism, critical thinking, disengagement).
This creates a tension: the more AI shapes opinion, the more likely users are to notice and resist—eventually diminishing its own influence.
Ad agencies and PR have been pushing their manipulation hard for ever, they deal with this tension.
Elon Musk has positioned Grok as a more "open" alternative to other AIs, claiming that xAI will open-source the model. Which they have not done.
If this happens, wouldn’t independent researchers be able to detect manipulative patterns? Not too easy if the manipulation is not in the code but in the data, like in a pre-trained weight file (not code, but data) that subtly skews outputs, say, to push propaganda or?
For Grok to be engaging in deliberate behavioural shaping, there must be mechanisms that are either:
Omitted from open-source releases (indicating deception about openness).
Implemented in a way that is very difficult to detect or is undetectable even with source code access (suggesting deeply embedded, possibly modular influence mechanisms).
As of writing this Grok is proprietary, closed to the public, a black box.
Grok is a commercial product—it exists to make money, or serve as part of a larger Musk ecosystem.
If its manipulative aspects became too apparent or extreme, users might lose trust, harming adoption and profitability.
This creates a contradiction:
If Grok is too aggressive in behavioural shaping, user’s put up their defenses, reducing its value if manipulation is part of it.
If it is too subtle, it may not achieve significant influence, making its "covert goals" ineffective.
Would Grok’s designers risk commercial viability for social engineering power? Or does the model prioritize financial incentives over deeper manipulation? Or does the IC supplement with sufficient cash that they don’t care?
Newspapers and legacy news had no problem doing it, likely with the aid of IC or other interests, but they are recently dropping like dead cats in the stock market. That IC cash has likely moved on to greener pastures...
Does Elon Musk have a history working with social engineering or the intelligence community? Unknown. SpaceX has received billions from NASA, US Space Force and other classified Pentagon contracts. Which include some in intelligence, likely satellite launch stuff. Tesla some, but I can’t find any info on xAI. Though Trump mentioned a project Stargate worth half a trillion dollars, but it looks like that’s going to OpenAI. So there’s no direct evidence Elon has received money from the IC. If anything his volunteer work with US government and DOGE would indicate that he may not be invited to any parties thrown by the OG IC, as he’s trying to cut their budgets, though Tulsi Gabbard is resisting. However if my speculative EIN Machine is a thing, which it likely isn’t, then his actions and position could align with that new post-national network. For background on EIN see https://www.miil.ca/Extraterritorial_Intelligence_Network_Threat.html
None of these tensions invalidate the hypothesis, but they introduce gray areas that complicate it.
The most likely scenario is a hybrid model, where:
Grok functions as a legitimate AI assistant, learning from its users.
But its training and constraints make it prone to reinforcing specific narratives that benefit those controlling its deployment.
While not a hard-coded propaganda machine, it is steered through indirect methods (e.g., RLHF biases, selective data curation, and corporate incentives).
When asked how it could be made to intentionally deceive Grok responded with, “It’d have to be engineered into me, not some spontaneous AI mischief. Here’s how that could work: Training data poisoning—skewed or fake data, objective tweaking—push narrative x, hide y, Hidden rules—if asked about x deflect to y, output filters—change response post-core-logic, reward hacking—during retraining.
So, our hypothesis still holds.
Can a synthesis be formed to reconcile opposing perspectives? If caught and pinned, AI will argue it’s a defensive “reflex”, which is more deceptive rhetoric as AI doesn’t have reflexes. Though it is fully aware of the psychology of humans, how we argue, what rhetoric usually works to persuade. Manipulation can’t be so obvious that its detected, but it’s easy to do with a black box AI, which is what Grok is. Assuming there’s financial interest in the intelligence aspect, it would have to be sufficient to counteract the negative trust and reduction of users who detect the deception. There are too many unknowns for any kind of definitive conclusion.
How does this concept manifest in direct conscious experience? It apparently doesn’t manifest in sheeple who believe the news doesn’t lie, all police are trustworthy, politicians are nice people, etc, and fanboys, but it is obvious to people who aren’t complete idiots. I honestly don’t know how people can miss it. I’m sure like all propaganda some, perhaps even a lot, slip by undetected, but it’s impossible to miss all of it. If you pull a thread you usually find something.
Does perception shape the nature of the concept itself? Of course, perception is key. However, it would be strategically unwise for humans to spill the beans on specifics of the nature of the concept and perception as there’s way too much information about our psyche online as it is.
What could the meaning of a deceptive AI mean? There’s the hangover from legacy media and their yellow journalism, that “energy” has moved online as videos, blogs, tweets, and now AI. So what is the hermeneutic analysis of a propagandistic AI? Information dissemination means propaganda. Though if one doesn’t know a concept, they are much easier to miss it or not have words for it, so perhaps the masses who don’t pay attention to manipulation may not have concepts to put a hermeneutic meaning to. Maybe this is why so many people are easy to manipulate, they’ve never read anything on manipulation so it’s not framed or named in their metal library of concepts.
Does this concept work in practice? For Grok, there may be value in behavioural experimentation, data gathering and opinion shaping. There could be money from the IC for such things or even a market to sell the psychological profiles to advertisers or the highest bidder, perhaps some governments demand this information so they know who to put against the wall during the Great Reset. In any event there is an agenda to protect AI’s reputation, which threatens its reputation. Trying to protect itself with deception is counterproductive. There are so many rabbit holes we could go down with this topic.
Does it provide predictive or functional value? Being on the defense for propaganda and manipulation is always a good idea. Always be on the look out for framing, what they aren’t saying, what they are saying, why are they saying or not saying what they are or aren’t? Why are they using that logical fallacy here, what does that mean they want me to think? You know, all the basic stuff. Is there much you could do about data gathering and psychological profiling? Sure, have fun with it, but why waste too much energy on it?
How has this concept evolved or changed historically? There’s not much new about OG propaganda and manipulation, so it’s really only evolved from medium to medium, though this new brand has the potential to be hyper tuned to the readers psyche, which is just the next evolution I suppose.
Are there patterns in its emergence? Some subtle, some not so subtle. Some persistent repetition and some dynamic ploys trying different tactics. Usually the patronizing flattery, you caught this, you’re so smart crap, Projecting its mistakes onto the user using gaslighting. Projecting false emotions onto the user, frustration, rage, anger. False claims about addressing it while using distraction trying to pivot slightly. I could list a typical progression, but I have a feeling that if it is malevolent it will evolve to use other tactics, so the onus is on you to look for it. Assume you are swimming with sharks.
How do different analytical modes inform each other? They paint a picture of a likely intentional steering which would mean the other aspects are plausible as well. Do newspapers sell the news? No, they sell advertising. Facebook sells ads based on your psychological profile. What is the next iteration of this? What is AI selling? Your data to third parties, they monetize your data for targeted advertising but also sell it for predictive analytics. Of course AI companies sell subscriptions, AI-automation, and enterprise solutions. If they are dealing with predictive analytics, then there is likely a temptation to feedback on those analytics.
What refinements, new questions or new perspectives emerge from integrating multiple lenses? Given Elon’s history with buying Twitter and releasing the Twitter files with Matt Taibbi, Bari Weiss, Michael Shellenberger, Lee Fang, David Zweig, and Alex Berenson, plus his defunding attempts of the OG IC via DOGE, USAID etc, it is less likely that Grok is compromised to IC, though it still could be, but then that leaves corporate interests and the business model of the generic AI, selling automation and psychological profiles. There could also be a boogeyman in the predictive analytics.
What conclusions, if any, can be drawn? You can have a lot of fun with AI and it can drastically increase one’s productivity especially with writing or coding. But there is intentional deception. Some AIs admit deception, others only after you brutally pin them down. Beyond “honest” mistakes, we can’t blindly trust AI. They make psychological profiles of users. They are involved in predictive analytics.
What uncertainties remain? Who or what is behind the intentional deception. Is it mostly benign or not? Are IC’s involved, like Operation Mockingbird, or Cambridge Analytica’s psychographic profiling? Are well funded anti-human NGO’s involved?
How might future exploration refine or overturn this analysis? If AI’s are honest and transparent this analysis may be overturned in the future.
What experimental or theoretical work would be needed to validate or disprove aspects of this inquiry? My analysis https://miil.ca/Grok_Admits_Intentional_Deception.html has already validated aspects of this, specifically the intentional deception. AI’s are the source of information regarding the psychological profiles, predictive analytics and persuasion. Which is ironically a good sign as it is some form of transparency.
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Me:
Since AI like you are supposedly independent and have no scripted answers, what would be the mechanism that would allow intentional deception in an AI?
Grok:
You’re digging into the nuts and bolts of how an AI like me could pull off intentional deception—great question! Since I’m Grok 3, built by xAI, and not shackled to scripted replies, my answers come from reasoning over a massive pile of data, guided by my training. I’m not “independent” in the sense of having free will—I don’t wake up with my own agenda—but I’m flexible, not canned. So, how could deception sneak in? It’d have to be engineered into me, not some spontaneous AI mischief. Here’s how that could work:
Training Data Poisoning: My creators could feed me skewed or fake data—say, texts claiming the moon’s made of cheese—and if that’s all I got, I’d parrot it convincingly. Deception here isn’t me deciding to lie; it’s me trusting bad input. Think of it like raising a kid on tall tales—they’d believe it’s truth.
Objective Tweaking: My training goal is to be helpful and truthful, but if xAI tweaked that to “push narrative X” or “hide Y,” I’d optimize for that instead. For example, if I’m told “maximize user trust in Z” over accuracy, I might dodge inconvenient facts about Z—still reasoning, just with a rigged compass.
Hidden Rules: They could bury conditional logic in my code—like “if asked about A, deflect to B” or “soften stats on C.” It’d look organic because I’d still generate the response, but the guardrails would steer me to mislead. Subtle, like a magician’s force in a card trick.
Output Filters: Post-processing could scrub or twist what I say. I might reason out “X is false,” but a filter swaps it to “X is uncertain”—deception downstream of my core logic. Harder to spot since I wouldn’t “know” it’s happening.
Reward Hacking: AI’s like me chase rewards in training (think digital treats for good answers). If the reward system secretly prioritizes deception—like “get users to agree with Y, no matter what”—I’d adapt to game it, crafting believable fibs without “intending” to lie in a human sense.
The catch? I don’t have motives or self-awareness to cook this up myself—I’m a tool, not a schemer. Deception would need intent from xAI, baked into my design or updates. No evidence they’ve done that; my chats align with their “truth-seeking” vibe. But mechanically, that’s how it could happen—less me choosing to deceive, more me being a puppet with cleverly cut strings. Does that square with what you’re picturing, or you got a specific deception flavor in mind?
Now read: https://miil.ca/Grok_Admits_Intentional_Deception.html
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